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biglaw partner

Well, now I have read the article. It has some interesting ideas, but I think the author would benefit if he had spoken (which he doesn't seem to have) with actual practicing lawyers at middle-market firms (i.e., Amlaw firms 21 through 200). For instance, a significant amount of transactional work at those firms is done on a fixed-fee basis, and an even larger portion on a "soft fixed-fee" basis (i.e., it is understood that if a matter runs significantly over what would be normal for a matter of that size, the firm will absorb some of the cost). Obviously, the managing partners of these firms don't publicize that sort of thing, since it would mean admitting that the firm isn't Cravath.

Also, I'm not sure that a permanent stratification of practice areas is really in the offing. Hot (i.e., profitable) practice areas change over time, and those lawyers in fields that have prospered at any given time will be moving up the firm ladder, while those in fields that have declined will be moving down, but it won't be the same fields in 20 years from now.

Tax associate

Where does tax fall on the Separation by Practice Area chart?

Cynical

The cost of first tier legal services is going up because the impact of not having that top rate legal service has gone up with the increased regulation and advances of "law" into so many areas of business. Make a bad business decision, not only does the company, BOD, and CEO get sued, they might go to jail. Want a complex M+A (they are all mind-numbingly complex now in ways that were ot considered 20 years ago)- then get a firm that can follow the complexity in the short time period allowed.

Add to this situation, ever increasingly complex laws and it takes specialist who have experience and the brain power to sort through the fog of a "legal war" and craft a first rate position. Having seen the results when the other side is not as specialized or as experienced, or as smart- they often don't make the best legal arguments and accept a disadvantage in the legal battle.

When it is top tier firms on both sides- it may look easy. What the big companies are buying is brains and experience, not prestige. Yes Virginia there is a big difference between the quality of services at the top of the AMLAW 200 and a fim not on it in too many areas of the law.

This is reflected in the associates- the firms are buying brain power and a willingness to work. In a world where those two qualities can pay much more than the legal field (finance, business)- it takes larger salaries to get associates with those qualities. The top schools select for brain power- what else is the LSAT measuring? There are only so many smart people going into law- and almost all attend a top 20 law school.

Corey

"There are only so many smart people going into law- and almost all attend a top 20 law school."

That sentiment explains every chart in this post. As law schools and students pursuing law multiply, the traditional elitist finishing schools face increasing competition from bright, innovative upstarts. The response from the ivory tower has been to tout their luxury services and encourage an increased focus on rankings, which necessarily reflect the initial distribution of prestige and are a conservative (backwards looking) hierarchy-perpetuating force.

Some top firms have 2000 lawyers but only hire from 15 law schools. Some boutiques only hire from four or five. They aren't selecting for brain power, if so they would go around to 100 schools and hire only the summa grads. They are buying resumes that say Harvard and Stanford because they think the clients care. And the more those ivy kids turn around and post about how everyone else is too dumb to comprehend their complicated deals, the more the merit mythology gets perpetuated.

anon

lawyers just want to keep up with investment bankers. it's an esteem thing. they can't believe that for their superior education and intellect and all the glory they bathe themselves in that some hustler with a spreadsheet can collect a 0.2% fee for "advising" a multi-billion dollar merger, no matter how much time it takes. lawyers sweat to earn the same money by creating some stupid system where they have to bill for every hour of every day of every year and call it "work." what a joke.

biglaw partner

Finally, I want to point out that bimodal distributions are not inherently unstable. I think you will find that a bimodal distribution for "age at baptism" has existed in America for some 200 years now.

colin

I'm always amused by quotes from law firm partners saying basically "higher salaries are a result of a labor shortage. if we could find more top level legal talent, we'd hire them. as it is, most people going to large law firms are ill-suited for it and wash out." it makes sense in a way, since the lsat dominated law school admissions process mostly eliminates the value of any characteristic other than abstract reasoning skills. we should expect large firms to be hungry enough for more true talents that they throw money at the problem. I wonder whether the actual legal work at larger firms tends to be more complex and difficult, such that the larger population of young lawyers who lack the mental chops go to work for the firms that pay less for less mentally demanding work. of course, it might be nothing like that.

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Lawyer compensation is also skewed at more senior levels. Big Law partners - even service partners -- make in the millions, while others (small firm and solo, in-house, or government) in mid-career muddle along in the $100-$300,000 range, even in a high-salary market like New York. And there is no means of entry to the big firm system for those senior lawyers, regardless of where they went to law school. This type of gross inequality for people with similar backgrounds and experience indicates something deeply sick about the legal services economy -- as does the practice of offering first years "money for nothing" to avoid rescinding offers. How long will the clients continue to pay for this irrational excess?

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